well, I used to just play by myself.. then Jenny [Lewis, of Rilo Kiley] kept trying to encourage me to get a band and play! So she told Tod he should play with me and me I should play with Tod, and so he and I met up to play and it worked great! So Jenny played key board with us until we were on our feet.. then I happened to meet Colt socially and he and Tod had played in a different band together ,, he loved iron will and said he wanted to play bass..and so tod, colt and i played.. then I started writing songs on my 4 track like wishing well and stuff with many back up vocal parts and thought it was sad because I could never do them live! And Tod said Vanesa, his girlfriend, had a great voice! So, knowing her a little, I said.. Vanesa, you’re in the band! Before ever hearing her.. and it worked out great!